It doesn't matter if the printing industry is growing fast. You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. On the other hand, reason for refund should be solid. Regarding the support case, perhaps you could share the exact details on the case by a message or email to me (dalia@cgtrader.com) - we would like to look more into it and ensure that no cases like that are unsolved. Needed something better and found it at CGt. Then we're all back at Square one again. Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. We left TS account and getting occasional spam regarding the prices from them. As a game developer i will never buy a 3d models online since 95% are done on student version of software or pirated version. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. A real pointless task. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/industrial/other/shipping-container--4. Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. Most of the Ts artists also moved their work over here and almost everyone knows that, just not the ones hoe are exclusive, it's not going to take too long now before they systematically start breaking the exclusive contract when they see sales going down every month and things going up over here. And it offers a more strategic dimension. In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. @dafunk @S/C. But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". i think they both have there place . In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. TS management is by far the worst in history, they are great at Hostile take overs, yet bad at dealing with the realities of industry, i stopped all my affiliate links with TS and right now i'm sharing only the links for my products on CGT and Art station. I know I personally would be Heh.. that's another topic but my top selling model is nude. just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design Renderer: Cyclse. Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. Hi from Will and Mr Data :) :] CGtrader delivers the best basic structure to bring fort this new and healthy next gen market place. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. And I've done the same thing on Turbosquid, in the same period of time. I can easily imagine that serious clients who value their time very high, might choose TS over CGT without second thought. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. But I think that CheckMate was especially created to bring artists to exclusivity, rather than promote quality. But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? Why should the artist suffer? Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. So it was sorted in your favor afterall? If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. Ts just took royalty's from other items I've sold to get the money back. Every vendor who is exclusive is losing money and customers. It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. Personally, I felt I in no way infringed on said IP. I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). I stumbled across the same issues! @skifx, @made21, my royalty rate is 80% and i earn from each sale from 72% to 77% depending on the model's price - the pricier the model is, the lesser payment processing fee gets. Imagine how much easier it would be for a games company to do a search by typing in (sword, 15 dollars and then 500 polygons. Some points for and against. And between CGTrader and TurbuSquid, I think, let everything will be decided in a reasonable competition. What I read on different forums seems obvious, exclusivity no longer pays. But we forgot about the buyers. The more people ho place your item in their stores the higher your ranking for that product gets "in the pool that is". You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. A little more than a year passed since our public disagreement with Turbosquid policies and behavior that ended our relationship as content creator and reseller. On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. In order to post an answer, you need to sign in. Regards, I want to say the following. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. Ah crap, not sure how that referal spam sneaked into turbosquid link, here is the clean one: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856, I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. For myself, long live CGTrader and may they keep their principles as they grow. Yes, buyers has free will to express their opinion about model, but in case of negative feedback such opinion should be reasonable and motivated. Closed my Ts account because it was completely useless and obsolete. I was stunned to get informed there was no fraud protection (yes people, you pay 60% cut and get no fraud protection). Hello, This way we let buyers know that cgtrader got some interesting stuff. Change Method. Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. On TS buyer cant do such thing, he needs to contact support on TS. Turbosquid has terrible royalty rates or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. As someone suggested most serious buyers will end up buying 100 bucks worth of models so putting down 1 Dollar isn't going to cause any trouble. Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future? However, the use is allowed if the MMO is a closed MMO, like World of Warcraft. Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. He earns trust in this way and we know everything stands or falls with the coming and going of trust. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. Ts has always been an overly expensive service and its not that good at all compare to its cost. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Im convinced now that when I would reactivate my Ts account I will just have a bit less sales here and get some sales over there, could be wrong but I don't care, 60% cut is ridicules and on top of that price guarantee is just total madness. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. I'm glad CGtrader and its community of supporters is able to make this situation come to an end. I am hoping that never happens Exnihilum! Dear Kanga you are absolutely right and on top of that you won't have to worry about their super buggy uploading system either. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Recently I've been trying to contact my old clients and buyers and although they still have an interest in my models they don't quite trust CGT with their money. I hope ideas of exclusivity get replaced by inclusive ones all over the globe. I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). The classic idea of exclusivity, division and concealment as a strategy to get to a monopolistic position is bad for the industry and everyone is coming to the realization how bad it rely is. - Limiting, perhaps, the number of objects that can be uploaded in a row, to avoid having the front page confiscated by a single seller when ticking the "newest" filter. Ps. User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. They customize those figures anyway you want. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. What? https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. My response was, not going to do that, its my work I decide the price. or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? :). 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. It is pretty awesome!!! Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. Sales dropped to almost nothing. Their only flaws are the lack of publicity and their search engine. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. But this is perhaps the only plus turbosquid. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . CGTrader is bather as a platform and like I wrote above if we help in couple of months will overcome TS on search engines, which will also increase our sales. We've been there, even being "Squid Guild exclusive" for some time to test the experience ourselves for real, and after more than 10 years with all our experiences and stats in hand we can state without a doubt that the business model offered by Turbosquid doesn't pay off in the mid-long term. Then someone ells will just create another CGt alike and Ts would have to keep buying these places ones a year, and after that it would have to buy them every month. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? It sells almost nothing, except, perhaps, with very low prices. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. Thingiverse has allowed licenses to be transferred into another users name, which is very important option if you want to invent something and sell the ownership, else your stuck with it forever. We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. Personally I don' t see anything offending on human body, everyone has one but I respect that it could be offending to someone (especially kids) so it should be censured. We've been doing business with Turbosquid for more than 10 years until our very public issues last year: http://www.nonecg.com/turbosquid/turbosquid_nonecg.htm. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . Thingiverse remains the king for licensing, as you can transfer the licence within the site. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. taken offline. I didn't checked it for a while (around a year) but comparatively Cgtrader has a much more streamlined upload system compared to Turbosquid's. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Hell, I even remember writing years ago to Matt Wisdom (TS Founder & CEO), Beau Perschall (VP of Business Dev) and other people at the management staff about the "no-brainer" choice for sellers regarding going exclusive into the "Squid Guild" or not, because after a group of sellers collected our stats and compared our earnings (for similar periods of time being exclusive and not) all of us ended with the clear conclusion that we were losing revenue being exclusive to TS instead of selling in all markets no single answer was received from any TS management staff member. CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. I agree structural arrangements need to be done to support this bud it needs to be done in a way so it supports the main axiom of openness. But if you are on Turbosquid as an exclusive sale (models will be sold only on the website TurboSquid), Cgtrader can lose and this position, in favor of TS Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. If you have any questions about these items before you purchase, please contact us at https://support.turbosquid.com/ But based on the results, we see that it makes sense to show off the CG part on the homepage as well. We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. I am huge fan of the CGT team because they really try hard to make us happy. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. Very soon there will be robots that can scan objects faster than any modeler can model them and then reproduce a print almost instantly in 10 to 30 years 3D jobs will be irrelevant but until then someone needs to really bring CGtrader to the big markets. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. Hopefully we can find a way that would plrase all sides. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader Hopefully that would make squids to react. Brittney We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. I like, CG Trader is ascent. Of course, as CGT reputation grows, this may change in the future (CGTrader has already beaten The3Dstudio in terms of statistics, but you also have to take into account that there are certainly a very significant amount of people coming here for 3D-printing only, which decreases the statistics in terms of regular CG models). - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here You have to choose a category to get a refresh.